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sharklaser
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A hit/machine IF would great as a replacement for CR at Vol.
Yes, I know CR (for Vol) is only usually used in normal>VH, or rare/occasional use in Ult. But the beauty of IF is that if you get in close-up to the screens then unlike CR there is no splash damage. So you can hit the screens without also hitting any nearby blue pillars.
This only works if you are very close up to the screens ofc.
In fact I'll buy it myself if you want to sell.
(Just to confirm - I'm not saying it's better than needle, but rather it's a better accompaniment to needle than CR is at this particular boss).
Yes, I know CR (for Vol) is only usually used in normal>VH, or rare/occasional use in Ult. But the beauty of IF is that if you get in close-up to the screens then unlike CR there is no splash damage. So you can hit the screens without also hitting any nearby blue pillars.
This only works if you are very close up to the screens ofc.
In fact I'll buy it myself if you want to sell.
(Just to confirm - I'm not saying it's better than needle, but rather it's a better accompaniment to needle than CR is at this particular boss).
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Ayria
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Except it has less ATP than both nug and CR already with the auto aim gimmick being completely without merit in this situation.
Of course though it makes complete sense to drop 50pd on a booster to kill, as you yourself state, a boss in very hard difficulty instead of the more efficient, accessible and ultimately easier method of using a needle.
I think Saga is your entire market, charge $$$$
Of course though it makes complete sense to drop 50pd on a booster to kill, as you yourself state, a boss in very hard difficulty instead of the more efficient, accessible and ultimately easier method of using a needle.
I think Saga is your entire market, charge $$$$
sharklaser
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More like charge jack shit.
1 person interest = buyers market.
Also, I don't understand your post... the ATP is perfectly adequate for the purpose I was talking about (especially after grind). And the auto-aim special has literally nothing to do with this.
Needle isn't always possible, since it relies on the screens not being dead (I'm not saying it should be a replacement for needle, I'm saying it goes well WITH the needle as a superior way of hitting dead screens as opposed to CR).
Sure it's a niche use, but your augments are invalid.
Also, I love how you're talking about 50pd as if that's hard to obtain.
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Ayria
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To do with spending half a stack in order to inefficiently kill one boss in a difficulty you don't even run?
Sorry, I'll have to start factoring the saga edge case into all future general price checks, but I'll still say that n/ab would be sought after by most players.
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sharklaser
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Ok, now you're just being obtuse... Why is it "inefficient"? As I've already said, it's not to replace the most efficient method (needle), it's just a great backup in case the sceens are killed off (which happens A LOT when random newbs are involved).
All I'm saying is that in any situation where you would occasionally use a CR at vol opt, the IF is a lot better.
And regarding price, no... it's not a priority item by any means, but for those who can afford it, the IF certainly isn't without it's merit.
All I'm saying is that in any situation where you would occasionally use a CR at vol opt, the IF is a lot better.
And regarding price, no... it's not a priority item by any means, but for those who can afford it, the IF certainly isn't without it's merit.
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sharklaser
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Why?
Are you talking about dragon/de rol? Because there is literally NO advantage to using IF over CR at those bosses.
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Maybe 6-10 pds. Faust is simply too outclassed by easier options.
Shark: A basic spread needle is far far more effective against Opt than any combo locked ranger item. Just simply the way it is.
Shark: A basic spread needle is far far more effective against Opt than any combo locked ranger item. Just simply the way it is.
sharklaser
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Girth, did you even read my posts? I never said it was better than needle...
(Also, if you really consider it outclassed then why price it so high? Trying to help out a friend maybe?)
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GuardianGirth
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Nope, didn't read a damn word.
sharklaser
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That attitude explains why your quests are so shit I guess.
Ayria
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I mean, if you're using that logic you might as well go all the way.
Thread lock spotted.
sharklaser
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/\ That quote makes no sense, since I never said that IF was more efficient/advantageous than needle. You are literally being an obtuse dickhead at this point.
Just maybe actually READ what I wrote above?
Stop being an argumentative cunt just for the sake of it, and accept that maybe you don't know everything about this game.
Also, I'm still waiting for you to tell us all why N/AB is so useful on a IF? As you stated above.
Just maybe actually READ what I wrote above?
Stop being an argumentative cunt just for the sake of it, and accept that maybe you don't know everything about this game.
Also, I'm still waiting for you to tell us all why N/AB is so useful on a IF? As you stated above.
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Ayria
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I'll try and take this slowly.
It's a combo locked bazooka - widely agreed as good for use on both dragons and worms. These bosses just so happen to share the native and a.beast attributes and as such these would be nice to have.
You know I'm all about the dank NUGS and Meteors so the concept of swag strats isn't lost on me, but this is a price check thread. You've just brought up and agrued an edge case that is so far outside the 'meta', people don't even know what to say.
The idea of suggesting a bazooka with a pricetag of over 10x that than the common variants, with less ATP, less utility and less efficiency to kill a boss in a difficulty you don't even run - while bearing mind the alternative strat of using a needle is faster in all regards as somehow meaning that machine % is a desirable stat on this weapon for most is absurd.
Yes, bazooka's can hit vol opt 1st phase without a target. Nobody is arguing against that, but for most people that doesn't make bazookas with machine god tier. I don't know precisely what you have cooked up since you're being remarkably coy and resorting to personal attacks instead, but if you've got a strat I'd love to hear it. I'd imagine most would be happy using a needle, saving the PDs and getting the job done a hell of a lot quicker though.
The "quote" above was a modified version of what you originally said, taking your line of reasoning and applying it to your previous argument. As you note, it doesn't make sense, I wonder why this is?
Price checks are exactly that, people providing their input on what they think the weapon is worth in the market - for most I believe this to be something they'd pass over but obviously this falls under the jurisdiction of Ephinea's resident TTF expert Saga and all further queries should be directed to their inbox to avoid others providing input in this open forum.
I wish you luck in winning the auction and hope you enjoy Fausting your way though V.hard Vol Opt.
Baited on a free price check.
It's a combo locked bazooka - widely agreed as good for use on both dragons and worms. These bosses just so happen to share the native and a.beast attributes and as such these would be nice to have.
You know I'm all about the dank NUGS and Meteors so the concept of swag strats isn't lost on me, but this is a price check thread. You've just brought up and agrued an edge case that is so far outside the 'meta', people don't even know what to say.
The idea of suggesting a bazooka with a pricetag of over 10x that than the common variants, with less ATP, less utility and less efficiency to kill a boss in a difficulty you don't even run - while bearing mind the alternative strat of using a needle is faster in all regards as somehow meaning that machine % is a desirable stat on this weapon for most is absurd.
Yes, bazooka's can hit vol opt 1st phase without a target. Nobody is arguing against that, but for most people that doesn't make bazookas with machine god tier. I don't know precisely what you have cooked up since you're being remarkably coy and resorting to personal attacks instead, but if you've got a strat I'd love to hear it. I'd imagine most would be happy using a needle, saving the PDs and getting the job done a hell of a lot quicker though.
The "quote" above was a modified version of what you originally said, taking your line of reasoning and applying it to your previous argument. As you note, it doesn't make sense, I wonder why this is?
Price checks are exactly that, people providing their input on what they think the weapon is worth in the market - for most I believe this to be something they'd pass over but obviously this falls under the jurisdiction of Ephinea's resident TTF expert Saga and all further queries should be directed to their inbox to avoid others providing input in this open forum.
I wish you luck in winning the auction and hope you enjoy Fausting your way though V.hard Vol Opt.
Baited on a free price check.
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GuardianGirth
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lol I know right? They're absolute trash. I mean wtf was I thinking when I made them?
Oh silly me, I guess I must've been one of those beautifully insecure ignorant humans that get upset when a piece of information that doesn't validate me, is revealed. I'll just go back to being one of those miserable humans that cant see how certain information both exists and stands on its own regardless of the venue or person of which it was produced from.
Sorry Eistee, the faust is worth 5-10 based on sheer uncommonness.
As for the topic, my apologies...but if this is a story, I cant resist making fun of the shitty characters.
sharklaser
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This has NOTHING to do with what I was saying above, and if you think it does then you are the most idiotic person on the server.
Read.
Digest.
Understand.
Or... Be an arrogant cunt and try to convince everyone that you are a pro
I honestly don't care which route you go down, but at least TRY to understand.
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Cannon Rouge is better than Iron Faust in every way unfortunately, so there's no real use for this since being locked doesn't give it much use and it needs the 50 PD booster to even be useful.
Maybe a collector's item, if even that.
@sharklaser You need to lay off the insults and stop being so argumentative. Consider this your first warning, if you keep up this behaviour I'll be giving you a temporary suspension on the forums.
Locked because... yeah.
Maybe a collector's item, if even that.
@sharklaser You need to lay off the insults and stop being so argumentative. Consider this your first warning, if you keep up this behaviour I'll be giving you a temporary suspension on the forums.
Locked because... yeah.
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