Ephinea Drop Chart (Updated: 10/10/2015)
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Re: BRAND NEW DROP CHART!!! 8/20/2015
yeah these rates are much more acceptable at least for the del rappys.
i still feel that the armors and units drops shouldn't have their rates changed to have them common it's probably a good thing for those armors and units to be common and cheap.
also why nerf the PC drops too?
yeah these rates are much more acceptable at least for the del rappys.
i still feel that the armors and units drops shouldn't have their rates changed to have them common it's probably a good thing for those armors and units to be common and cheap.
also why nerf the PC drops too?
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Re: BRAND NEW DROP CHART!!! 8/20/2015
omg lol... like... nobody really knew SEGA's rates for Episode 4 because they didn't send an RT file or a PT file during login (lol), it was all on their server, so you kind of have to fill in the gap lol
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omg lol... like... nobody really knew SEGA's rates for Episode 4 because they didn't send an RT file or a PT file during login (lol), it was all on their server, so you kind of have to fill in the gap lol
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Re: BRAND NEW DROP CHART!!! 8/20/2015
Mfw when I learn something about this server everyday.
On another note, I didn't factor in DAR when I studied the drop charts, so I'm just clueless about what monsters to kill in episode 4 really. The real rates used to be easy to calculate without opening multiple tabs on a web browser for episode 1 and 2 when scanning the Ephinea drop charts such that I popped my calculator out and did the multiplication of the two given rates, DAR then Drop of course.
That would be a nice thing to put back on the drop charts, especially since I have no idea what the episode 4 DAR rates are. Anyways, great work Sodaboy.
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Mfw when I learn something about this server everyday.
On another note, I didn't factor in DAR when I studied the drop charts, so I'm just clueless about what monsters to kill in episode 4 really. The real rates used to be easy to calculate without opening multiple tabs on a web browser for episode 1 and 2 when scanning the Ephinea drop charts such that I popped my calculator out and did the multiplication of the two given rates, DAR then Drop of course.
That would be a nice thing to put back on the drop charts, especially since I have no idea what the episode 4 DAR rates are. Anyways, great work Sodaboy.
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Re: BRAND NEW DROP CHART!!! 8/20/2015
You don't need to factor in DAR with the drop charts because it's already been factored in for you. In the first posting of the drop chart, I had the DAR and rare rate separate, but now they're mixed together.
Explained this here: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=226#p1505
You don't need to factor in DAR with the drop charts because it's already been factored in for you. In the first posting of the drop chart, I had the DAR and rare rate separate, but now they're mixed together.
Explained this here: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=226#p1505
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Re: BRAND NEW DROP CHART!!! 8/20/2015
If so, the DAR is 100%, am I misunderstanding that? No no no, I have seen nothing drop from monsters previously. Silly me, but I like to see where I am confused about my miscalculation here. A post like this will definitely help here if I see where this is going correctly.
Let's try this example: SEALED J-SWORD, 0.0079%, Gi Gue, Ultimate
I converted 0.0079%, which is 0.000079 without %, to appear as an Egyptian fraction, sums of fractions with ones in the numerator of each term. After doing that, I see this result. It's interesting how similar the rates are after clicking the weapon's name and clicking the last link, so let's label these here. PSO-World's rate is Rate A, and this new fraction is Rate B. Using Rate A, I multiply that by 0.8, which is the Gi Gue's drop anything rate (DAR), and this is the result. This is the real vanilla rate that I will label as Rate C, so comparing Rate B and Rare C, there definitely is a difference that I won't bother computing here.
The main question is this: If those two rates are different, then which one is correct? Yes, it's a rhetorical question, especially if I did the math correctly. Ephinea's drop charts are correct, provided that there are no typographical errors. In other words, the real drop rate for the Sealed J-Sword is not ~1/15756, but it is ~1/12659. Please, click the "results" links to view these fractions in detail. Of course, drop rates with so many digits like XX.XXXXXX% that are converted to 1/XXXXX are not completely accurate, but it's close enough.
I'm assuming that this what you meant by mixing the DARs and the drop rares (DRs), yes Sodaboy? I did compute a bunch of rates for other rare items like Rate C until I posted this, so nobody has to look up DARs anymore. Still, I'm tempted to actually use the DAR for your finished rates as if it's vanilla PSOBB, but that's a waste of time, right Sodaboy? For example, performing the calculation, 0.8*0.000079, for the Sealed J-Sword does not result in the correct drop rate since you said that both rates are already merged, yeah?
If so, the DAR is 100%, am I misunderstanding that? No no no, I have seen nothing drop from monsters previously. Silly me, but I like to see where I am confused about my miscalculation here. A post like this will definitely help here if I see where this is going correctly.
Let's try this example: SEALED J-SWORD, 0.0079%, Gi Gue, Ultimate
I converted 0.0079%, which is 0.000079 without %, to appear as an Egyptian fraction, sums of fractions with ones in the numerator of each term. After doing that, I see this result. It's interesting how similar the rates are after clicking the weapon's name and clicking the last link, so let's label these here. PSO-World's rate is Rate A, and this new fraction is Rate B. Using Rate A, I multiply that by 0.8, which is the Gi Gue's drop anything rate (DAR), and this is the result. This is the real vanilla rate that I will label as Rate C, so comparing Rate B and Rare C, there definitely is a difference that I won't bother computing here.
The main question is this: If those two rates are different, then which one is correct? Yes, it's a rhetorical question, especially if I did the math correctly. Ephinea's drop charts are correct, provided that there are no typographical errors. In other words, the real drop rate for the Sealed J-Sword is not ~1/15756, but it is ~1/12659. Please, click the "results" links to view these fractions in detail. Of course, drop rates with so many digits like XX.XXXXXX% that are converted to 1/XXXXX are not completely accurate, but it's close enough.
I'm assuming that this what you meant by mixing the DARs and the drop rares (DRs), yes Sodaboy? I did compute a bunch of rates for other rare items like Rate C until I posted this, so nobody has to look up DARs anymore. Still, I'm tempted to actually use the DAR for your finished rates as if it's vanilla PSOBB, but that's a waste of time, right Sodaboy? For example, performing the calculation, 0.8*0.000079, for the Sealed J-Sword does not result in the correct drop rate since you said that both rates are already merged, yeah?
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Re: BRAND NEW DROP CHART!!! 8/20/2015
I'm confused, sorry.
Like I said, I already factored in the DAR when showing the value on the drop chart page.
Take Del Lily, who has a DAR of 35%. But a rare item chance of 1.563%
Yes, you have a 35% chance to get something, including Meseta.
But before it decides what to drop, after winning the 35% DAR roll, PSO does the rare roll.
Del Lily's rare roll is 1.5625%
So, the final rate for your chance to actually get a DRAGON SLAYER from a Skyly Del Lily is approximately .546%... (You have to win 2 rolls in a row, the DAR and then the rare roll for the DRAGON SLAYER to drop.)
It's not very complicated to understand and this .546% rate is shown on the drop charts for Ephinea.
I'm confused, sorry.
Like I said, I already factored in the DAR when showing the value on the drop chart page.
Take Del Lily, who has a DAR of 35%. But a rare item chance of 1.563%
Yes, you have a 35% chance to get something, including Meseta.
But before it decides what to drop, after winning the 35% DAR roll, PSO does the rare roll.
Del Lily's rare roll is 1.5625%
So, the final rate for your chance to actually get a DRAGON SLAYER from a Skyly Del Lily is approximately .546%... (You have to win 2 rolls in a row, the DAR and then the rare roll for the DRAGON SLAYER to drop.)
It's not very complicated to understand and this .546% rate is shown on the drop charts for Ephinea.
(BTW, you guys, I know Bones, he's a friend of mine... SO I AM NOT OFFENDED.)
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Re: BRAND NEW DROP CHART!!! 8/20/2015
All right all right, I won't keep this up since Bones is being too cheerful here. Thanks for merging the DARs with the DRs to a more simplified format Sodaboy. I have done enough to illustrate how hectic calculating the real rates used to be for vanilla PSO. The merged rates look like it is easier to find rare items on this server than vanilla PSO slightly, so some hardcore vanilla PSO fans have to deal with it, heh heh heh. Well, the SJS and Dragon Slayer drop rate examples, which were posted previously in this topic, seem to indicate that pattern of easiness when comparing the merged rates to the multiplied rates that required the DARs and DRs.
PS: Does this server really have a 35% DAR for Del Lilies, as compared to 40% DAR in this table from PSO-World? Eh, I broke my promise to not keep this up, but I wanted to know how reliable PSO-World is, or not.
All right all right, I won't keep this up since Bones is being too cheerful here. Thanks for merging the DARs with the DRs to a more simplified format Sodaboy. I have done enough to illustrate how hectic calculating the real rates used to be for vanilla PSO. The merged rates look like it is easier to find rare items on this server than vanilla PSO slightly, so some hardcore vanilla PSO fans have to deal with it, heh heh heh. Well, the SJS and Dragon Slayer drop rate examples, which were posted previously in this topic, seem to indicate that pattern of easiness when comparing the merged rates to the multiplied rates that required the DARs and DRs.
PS: Does this server really have a 35% DAR for Del Lilies, as compared to 40% DAR in this table from PSO-World? Eh, I broke my promise to not keep this up, but I wanted to know how reliable PSO-World is, or not.
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Re: Ephinea Drop Chart (Updated: 8/26/2015)
Why the change on photon crystal? 1/21 is just so lol
BPD hunting and adding hit to enemy weapons went from crazy to soul crushing now.
Why the change on photon crystal? 1/21 is just so lol
BPD hunting and adding hit to enemy weapons went from crazy to soul crushing now.