So, it seems like the FOmar is... kind of terrible at everything?

jcorb

jcorb

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I'll admit; I really WANT to like the FOmar. He's just a cool-looking class, and I like the IDEA of being able to switch between melee and techs, I feel like he was supposed to be a "battle-mage" type of class.

But instead, it just feels like he's just kind of awful at everything.

Not to say he isn't playable or anything, but he really does feel like the worst at everything, like purposely trying to do "hard-mode".

Kind of curious if maybe I just don't "get" how to play him, though? Does he eventually improve? Or does he just kind of require you to be over-leveled for content?

I'm just kinda debating with myself whether to just have "one of each class" who is the BEST in their category (HUcast, RAmar, and FOnewm or newearl, I would assume), or whether to just focus on one, singular character. And if the latter, I still like the overall LOOK of the FOmar, but... he just feels super weak, like he'll never be able to solo properly. Or really, even be able to equip any of the super cool/rare items in the game.
 
Fomar kind of takes some game knowledge and good equipping to make relevant at a decent level of play. It's mostly his ATA that is the issue, being that without lots of hit on your item, unless you're abusing the game and its mechanics, he cant hit anything. Melee FO's usually are looking for a specific set of equips to work around their weakness and have to play as specialists. The position you want to be playing most of the time is set crowd control with gifoie in Foie tech weak areas, and inbetween that at the beginning of a wave, when the enemy hitboxes become available do your debuffs, then cleanup or prep mobs (if its a quest with mobs that spawn inbetween waves) with slicer of fanatic, excalibur, guardianna, diska of braveman or whatever you have available to you. As a support class you'll never really truly be the main attacker so to speak. There are times when your melee/demons is valuable but knowledge of that comes through lots of playtime because that's always mob, wave, and quest specific.

In specific if you want to learn some slightly advanced stuff, look up slingshot bug, and SNS glitch. Those in particular can be useful for mitigating evasion, and are sometimes necessary to get around the games bad design choices as far as evasion stats go.
 
just what nikki said

also maybe tell us wich spot/quest/difficult led u to think "that guy sux"
coz all fos with dedicated tech equipment are top tier class to clear most of solo ep1/ep4 content

in multi beside the support techs (wich should be ur main focus coz they are huge and mandatory for optimized end game content) all fos somehow "sux"

i wrap up saying in a world where all weapons are 100hit and fully sphered fomar is clearly the best fo.

cheers!
 
FOmar's ATA is probably what puts most people off but in my opinion they're the best choice for episode 1 and 2, only behind FOnewm in ep 4 (depending on area/spawns).

Here's a list of gear I use in each episode.

EP1
Glide Divine / Bringer's Rifle / Magical Piece / Mercurius Rod / Slicer of Fanatic / Charge Type ME/Mechs / Striker of Chao / Excalibur
Ignition Cloak / Aura Field / V101 / V801 / Cure/Paralysis / God/Technique / Smartlink
Red Ring / Gifoie Merge / Resta Merge

EP2
Glide Divine / Bringer's Rifle / Hell S-rank slicer / Hell handgun / Mercurius Rod / Slicer of Fanatic / Charge Type ME/Mechs / Striker of Chao / Girasole / Excalibur
Aura Field / Brightness Circle / V101 / V502 / V801 / Smartlink / Resist/Devil
Red Ring / Anti-dark Ring

EP4
Glide Divine / Bringer's Rifle / Magical Piece / Mercurius Rod / Slicer of Fanatic / Charge Type ME/Mechs / Striker of Chao / Excalibur
Ignition Cloak / V101 / V801 / Adept / God/Technique / Smartlink
Red Ring / Gifoie merge
 
Back in the day, I ran a strictly weapon dps FOmar. He was awful to level up because he really, really, really needed God tier equipment to be good. I was in high school though, so I could afford to dedicate literal hundreds of hours to hunting gear for him. When I got him to level 200, maxed out all his stats with mats, mag and equipment, and got him all really high hit stuff (RIP old casino excal), he was godlike.

FOmar would absolutely shred everything, and he was a hell of a solo character because of his access to level 30 support techs. I absolutely loved my FOmar and I played him more than all my other classes. The problem is he really, absolutely needs high hit gear if you want to play a more melee/dps combat role. A lot of people would tell me that's not how you play the class, but I had so much fun tearing through everything once he was geared up, and I'm pretty sure those people probably hadn't tried playing FOmar like that with such high hit stuff.

Anyways, I think most people know the meta now, which is how Nikki described it above, but there's definitely nothing wrong if you're interested in playing him more like a HUmar. You just need to gear him up for it, though I suppose that any class would be godlike with God tier equipment lol. These days, I think the only thing that matters is if you have fun playing the character. If you don't enjoy the time you're spending playing the game, then I'm not sure it's worth it.
 
How I see all the FO's:
FOmar: E1/2 King with decent E4 usage.
FOnewm: E4 KING with fine E1/2 usage.
FOmarl: Decent in E1/2, also RM OP, and she's ''better than NOFO'' in E4.
FOnewearl: Cmode Queen & she's fine in E4 if you have no males.

Some reasons for Male > Female include:
-Supporting range isn't really ''useful'' but rather more ''comfy'' since there are lots of ranged support weapons, SD isn't cast that often and resta either none or very little, while JZ has glide for all FO classes.
-Si Boosts in general are less useful than GI/RA Boosts.
-FOmar has the highest ATP which allows him to do many things the other forces cannot while still being a great nuker for E4 (including being male so barehand animation for MP gifoie abuse)

Like everyone before has said his place of lacklustre is within his ATA, but you can abuse SN glitching while also eventually getting higher hit items.
 
FOmar might seem bad on paper but he has some uses and styles that are unique to him. Most/all classes do. Most classes all have unique things to them that they can use to the best ability better than every other classes and some classes even have exclusive ubers such as Nei’s Claw on HUneweral, or RAmarls faster handgun animation and MST while using Heaven’s Punisher.

Besides doing everything a regular FO should be doing (SDZ and then ping demons/hell if they have time) he gets the added option of pinging raw damage on enemies. Of course this will benefit you the most on bosses with high elemental resists where you need to use regular damage. But also damaging enemies without hell/demons can sometimes be more reliable and faster depending on spawn.

That being said FOmar has a weapon he can excell with better than any other FO and that weapon is Guardianna. A sacrificial card weapon, however it cannot SN combo. This is repairable due to the existence of the Hit% stat and the fact that Guardianna drops at a forgiving enough of a rate on many monsters. As others have said the ATA issue can be circumvented through Hit and SN combo glitching. Generally speaking as a FO you wont often have much time to even attack outside of making sure everything is buffed and debuffed. In solo its a whole different ballgame and oftentimes you can use many spells.

On the topic of spells he does get a 30% Gi boost and well as grants as well as having about 60 more MST than FOmarl. So he certainly can hit quite hard with his Gi spells as well as the mythical no-equip spell animation.

All in all he certainly is not the worst FO in the game with FOmarl being the worst, but as far as multiplayer goes due to FOs role in the game it is barely noticable if at all due to the FO being so busy with buffing and debuffing. But even FOmarl also has her redeeming features with her special shot animation and grants boost of 50%.

I think they did a good job making every character unique and fun to play.
 
jcorb said:
I'll admit; I really WANT to like the FOmar. He's just a cool-looking class, and I like the IDEA of being able to switch between melee and techs, I feel like he was supposed to be a "battle-mage" type of class.

But instead, it just feels like he's just kind of awful at everything.

Not to say he isn't playable or anything, but he really does feel like the worst at everything, like purposely trying to do "hard-mode".

Kind of curious if maybe I just don't "get" how to play him, though? Does he eventually improve? Or does he just kind of require you to be over-leveled for content?

I'm just kinda debating with myself whether to just have "one of each class" who is the BEST in their category (HUcast, RAmar, and FOnewm or newearl, I would assume), or whether to just focus on one, singular character. And if the latter, I still like the overall LOOK of the FOmar, but... he just feels super weak, like he'll never be able to solo properly. Or really, even be able to equip any of the super cool/rare items in the game.
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We were ALL Soft and Squishy at first, dear! Sadly, FO's start off...EXTRA SQUISHY...not to mention DIRT POOR, too?? Can understand how the PSO Franchise had romanticized the FOmar character named "Break" in Episode 3 with his blue robes and Katana~! There are quite a few FOmar Alpha types on here that will prolly chime in too about "Not getting frustrated" or "What you need to find is.....". Yes, FOmar is a challenge. Yes, FOmar will has you cursing in foreign tongues... And YES, FOmar is Worth It! Keep up the fight...stay SANE! ♡
 
I've heard people say HUcast costs the most to gear. Well...I think you could make a case for FOmar. I agree with what Spuz said, although I recall a few (better players than I) believing that FOmar can hang with FOnewm - with dream-tier gear.
 
CTB said:
I've heard people say HUcast costs the most to gear. Well...I think you could make a case for FOmar. I agree with what Spuz said, although I recall a few (better players than I) believing that FOmar can hang with FOnewm - with dream-tier gear.
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THAT'S what mew is worried about! He'll prolly run out of motivation for said "dream" toys before he runs out of Curse words for his beloved FOmar...=P.
 
Oh also, while FOmar is much better than you may think, I still wouldn't recommend as a 1st character, mostly because of learning all the skillful ways to benefit him and obtaining said useful gear can take time and be done on other characters. You can of course play him but you just wont really be on the melee side of things as much until you get that stuff down. (But he's a great number anyways). And all that matters is if your enjoying him or not. Can always come back to him np if not.

You mention HUcast, RAmar, FOnewm. All solid choices for top-tier characters but RAcast is also up there with them. HUcaseal can be a fun starter class too.
 
I wish I didn't use nothing but rangers sometimes. I feel like I missed out to some degree. I mean I tried hunters and I ended up treating it like a ranger but with limited abilities. I play too aggressively to be a support force character.
 
PSO4Lyfe said:
I wish I didn't use nothing but rangers sometimes. I feel like I missed out to some degree. I mean I tried hunters and I ended up treating it like a ranger but with limited abilities. I play too aggressively to be a support force character.
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Totally know your struggle!!! Mewplushie was actually a FOney trapped in a HUney's body!! Can also sympathize your "support force" trepidation as well! But that SQUISH Factor never stopped mew from walking ahead of the party like a giggling RAbarta grenade! XD! H....Heeey, don't feel bad about using 'nothing but rangers'! There's No Shame in DEATH from a DISTANCE~!!! =PpPPpPpP',',','
 
I made the mistake of making a FOmar my first character...Even with the power of hindsight I still enjoy them alot. I am, however, giving FOnewm a shot now that I'm used to their eccentric getup (though personally? the platform shoes bug me more then the butt tent.)
 
I don't have any real experience with late game FOmar, but I played him a casually back in the Gamecube days and nowadays I play FOnewm. I imagine he has the similar problems, though. Until you get better gear and higher levels, you're just going through the S/D + J/Z motions while flicking pebbles at the enemies hoping you don't pull a DMC and get everyone mad, at least in multiplayer. The damage boost to Gifoie, Gizonde and Grants is pretty sweet for comfy solo runs though, until you hit a boss or a monster who isn't weak to fire/lightning/light

Every Force as far as I know has that solo mode struggle until they're able to take hits better. The good news is you're not playing FOnewearl, which means you can wield the mighty Excalibur, and with the highest ATP out of all the FOs there's the potential to deal respectable damage with Charge Vulcans in solo mode for single, highly resistant monsters like Dark Bringers. Lv30 Shifta and Zalure can make a pretty surprising difference with physical damage.

But to validate your initial feelings- Yeah, he's weaker than Hunters, even Rangers when it comes to ATP, and his techs aren't as strong as a FOnewms, so he's not ideal if you're trying to excel at anything, and he's got the awful, awful drawback of his horrible ATA. But if you're in solo mode, rule of cool reigns supreme. If you're playing with a group nobody is going to complain if someone with buffs joins, unless there's already a FO there, that is.
 
So many years and this still comes up. It's the problem with jack of all trades classes, you get level 30 techs but no decent tech bonuses or MST to make them amazing and you have ATP for excalibur but at that point you're a watered down hunter. Just another flavor of HUnewearl if you ask me.
 
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