MST vs EVP

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Right now I'm facing the dilemma on which should I prioritize to max on my HUnewearl... While MST is good for TP and stuff, you really don't care about the damage on your techs unless you are a FO. And TP is not a problem when you run 2x Adepts. But EVP on EP4 works 1 in a LOL chance... So which stat do you guys prefer?

This is the calcs for Max Stats Lvl 200 HUnewearl with 2x Adepts + RR

W/ADEPTx2 (MST)
MAX 200 ADEPT ADEPT MAG MATS (150) RR FINAL
ATP 1237 - 835 = 402 - 10 = 392 - 10 = 382 - 342(171) = 40 - 40 (20) = 0 - 0 = 1237
DFP 589 - 538 = 51 - 10 = 41 - 10 = 31 - 5 (5) = 26 - 26 (13) = 0 - 0 = 589
MST 1177 - 885 = 292 - 10 = 282 - 10 = 272 - 0 (0) = 272 - 184(92) = 108 - 20 = 1109
ATA 199 - 147 = 52 - 20 = 32 - 20 = 12 - 12 (24) = 0 - 0 (0) = 0 - 0 = 199
EVP 811 - 666 = 145 - 10 = 135 - 10 = 125 - 0 = 125 - 0 (0) = 125 - 0 = 686
Luck 100 - 10 = 90 - 10 = 80 - 10 = 70 - 0 = 70 - 50 (25) = 20 - 20 = 100

W/ADEPTx2 (EVP)
MAX 200 ADEPT ADEPT MAG MATS (150 - 30) RR FINAL
ATP 1237 - 835 = 402 - 10 = 392 - 10 = 382 - 342(171) = 40 - 40 (20) = 0 - 0 = 1237
DFP 589 - 538 = 51 - 10 = 41 - 10 = 31 - 5 (5) = 26 - 26 (13) = 0 - 0 = 589
MST 1177 - 885 = 292 - 10 = 282 - 10 = 272 - 0 (0) = 272 - 0 (0) = 272 - 20 = 925
ATA 199 - 147 = 52 - 20 = 32 - 20 = 12 - 12 (24) = 0 - 0 (0) = 0 - 0 = 199
EVP 811 - 666 = 145 - 10 = 135 - 10 = 125 - 0 = 125 - 124 (62) = 1 - 0 = 810
Luck 100 - 10 = 90 - 10 = 80 - 10 = 70 - 0 = 70 - 50 (25) = 20 - 20 = 100

Maxing EVP leaves me with 30 Mats free while MST leaves me no Mats. And for those who are curious about C/Ability numbers...

W/ Adept/CENTURION (MST)
MAX 200 LIMITER CENTURION MAG MATS (150) RR FINAL
ATP 1237 - 835 = 402 - 10 = 392 - 30 = 362 - 270(135) = 92 - 92 (46) = 0 - 0 = 1237
DFP 589 - 538 = 51 - 10 = 41 - 30 = 11 - 5 (5) = 6 - 6 (3) = 0 - 0 = 589
MST 1177 - 885 = 292 - 10 = 282 - 30 = 252 - 0 (0) = 252 - 172(86) = 80 - 20 = 1097
ATA 199 - 147 = 52 - 20 = 32 - 2 = 30 - 30 (60) = 0 - 0 (0) = 0 - 0 = 199
EVP 811 - 666 = 145 - 10 = 135 - 30 = 105 - 0 = 105 - 0 (0) = 105- 0 = 706
Luck 100 - 10 = 90 - 10 = 80 - 30 = 50 - 0 = 50 - 30 (15) = 20 - 20 = 100

Let me know what you guys think... MST vs EVP...
 
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You dont need max of either, EVP is a near useless stat unless you plan to use Estlla for damage, because you cant dodge anything outside of lowbie areas, and the only thing MST would effectively help with her is Spirit usage attempts and resta, and with spirit you can fill the lack of finished MST stat with TP mats. With MST, and with all mat plans unless you plan to sacrifice utility slots (like v502/v801) you cant max her mind either because of the unfortunately low mat cap. Huney is in an unfortunately unique position to where her max stats are far out of reach of reasonability, so for utilities sake you have to sacrifice one or two stats for efficiency. If you want to use some of her MST (which is actually her redeeming quality) there are builds that effectively use it. Not saying to Use this but this is what I went with just for an idea.


Armor: BLUE ODOSHI VIOLET NIMAIDOU
Shield: RED RING
Units: ADEPT, SMARTLINK, V801/v502, Centurion/Ability
Mag: 5/56/57/82 @ LV 200
Mats: 0 left
- 125 Power
- 3 Def
- 7 Mind
- 15 Luck
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All stats maxed out except:
MST: -49
EVP: -105

Can probably be optimized in some way that I'm not seeing but yea.
 
Colette said:
You dont need max of either, EVP is a near useless stat unless you plan to use Estlla for damage, because you cant dodge anything outside of lowbie areas, and the only thing MST would effectively help with her is Spirit usage attempts and resta, and with spirit you can fill the lack of finished MST stat with TP mats. With MST, and with all mat plans unless you plan to sacrifice utility slots (like v502/v801) you cant max her mind either because of the unfortunately low mat cap. Huney is in an unfortunately unique position to where her max stats are far out of reach of reasonability, so for utilities sake you have to sacrifice one or two stats for efficiency. If you want to use some of her MST (which is actually her redeeming quality) there are builds that effectively use it. Not saying to Use this but this is what I went with just for an idea.


Armor: BLUE ODOSHI VIOLET NIMAIDOU
Shield: RED RING
Units: ADEPT, SMARTLINK, V801/v502, Centurion/Ability
Mag: 5/56/57/82 @ LV 200
Mats: 0 left
- 125 Power
- 3 Def
- 7 Mind
- 15 Luck
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All stats maxed out except:
MST: -49
EVP: -105

Can probably be optimized in some way that I'm not seeing but yea.
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Saw that one and it was my guideline to what to look for. The things I changed was removing the C/Abilty for another Adept. Beside that I have the RR, BOVN setup too. I prefer the double Adept Route cuz the stats you gain with C/Ability you get em back with Adept and Mag since every 2 DEX you save on your mag is a +2 on any other stats. Thats why I included both the C/ability calcs and Double Adept calcs. Really minimal difference between both of em plus with the second Adept you get more TP Consumption Reduction plus 6 more to all Resistance.


2x Adept vs Adept/CAbility (MST Focus)
1237 vs 1237
589 vs 589
1109 vs 1097
199 vs 199
686 vs 706
100 vs 100

But besides that, yeah probably going with the MST route...
 
Spuz said:
I'd go mst for that resta/Spirit , even if it's miniscule gain.
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To be honest, THE ONE THING that sparked the whole MST vs EVP inside of me is the simple fact that is possible to CAP EVP if you invest on it but it's imposible to CAP MST no matter how much you invest on it... So having only one white stat instead of 2... Looks kinda kool... xD
 
TL;DR Trying to decide between these two setups

Stats EVP vs MST (x = not capped)
ATP 1237 vs 1237
DFP 589 vs 589
MST 988x vs 1114x
ATA 199 vs 199
EVP 811 vs 686x
LCK 100 vs 100
 
Yeah I largely echo @Colette and @Spuz here. I would go with MST over EVP as well. MST actually has some value as an offensive stat even if you're not a force or using Divine Punishment or something. EVP on the other hand is arguably the least valuable stat in the game.
 
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