Frame Perfect alt-backspace For Hardcore Players

Discussion in 'General' started by Jcore4lyfe, Sep 11, 2018.

  1. Jcore4lyfe

    Jcore4lyfe Member

    So im going to be testing this after work today.

    Basically, if youre a hardcore player, and need to save on scapes and you die you can /lobby or alt backspace fast enough to literally see 0 on the screen in your hp, then dc and not suffer the loss of the scape.

    Does the scape not get used till the animation starts? How about if you have no scapes, does the window shorten? We will find out soon enough but perhaps someone else can add from their experiences!
     
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  2. Yuffie

    Yuffie Member

    this is lame but not d´argent. lol, jk, guess soon u will have enuf scapes to stop thinking about this stuff...
     
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  3. Sodaboy

    Sodaboy Administrator Staff Member

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    This will probably work until we patch out ALT+Backspace while in-game for HC users. 8)
     
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  4. Aleron Ives

    Aleron Ives Member

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    Don't disable it, just make it automatically consume a Scape Doll (or delete your character if you didn't have a Scape Doll), regardless of whether you were going to die when you RQ. :lenny:
     
  5. Sodaboy

    Sodaboy Administrator Staff Member

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    Disabling it would accomplish exactly that already! Lol. That’s pretty much how it already works when you don’t ALT+BS.
     
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  6. Aleron Ives

    Aleron Ives Member

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    You miss out on the chance to fool people into thinking they outsmarted HC, only to come back and discover that they did not, though. n.n
     
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  7. CTB

    CTB JK hate paused, busy!

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    I really like the idea of making them think they gamed the system ... especially if they don't have scapes :mad:
     
  8. shadow_FIX

    shadow_FIX ephinea music instructor

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    TBH i'd be in favor of nerfing alt-bs...it kinda defeats the purpose of HC mode!
     
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  9. Retty

    Retty Hey Man, Nice Shot

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    EPHINEA HARDCORE PLAYER TRIES TO ALT BACKSPACE AND INSTANTLY REGRETS IT (WATCH UNTIL END)
     
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  10. Sodaboy

    Sodaboy Administrator Staff Member

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    Disabling the key combination will most likely happen, though. It has been on my list of things to do for a while, just never got around to it. Look for it to happen soon(tm).
     
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  11. Nikki

    Nikki Member

    I look forward to the community posting some new HC banners :)
     
  12. DonaldDuck

    DonaldDuck Member

    always look on the bright side of life...as a a hardcore player i wouldnt try this anymore, every maintenance could be your DEATH xD but could make an event out of it @Jcore4lyfe lets have a 4 way death at Olgas Divine Punishment? .n.
     
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  13. 500ryu

    500ryu Mean team member #47

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    .....I can't even with you guys
     
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  14. I never understood touting the "difficulty" of hc while carrying 5 scapes and having alt bs mapped to your controller. I think HC sticking to the spirit of the mode would do itself better.
     
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  15. shadow_FIX

    shadow_FIX ephinea music instructor

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    NM players hate him! HC players envy him! You'll never believe what happens next...
     
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  16. Echelon

    Echelon PSOBB plastic surgeon

    Hardcore Mode Didn't Just Die | It Was Murdered
     
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  17. Matt

    Matt Administrator Staff Member

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    It would be good if along with the Alt-BS changes, for Scapes to be consumed immediately on death, because there's still some other workarounds if you're fast enough after dying, but nobody has the reflexes to crash a client or /lobby (which takes time) while a megid is flying at their face.

    But just disabling alt-bs would be more than enough.
     
  18. ToasterMage

    ToasterMage Member

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    brb making lua addon that crashes the game when about to die.
     
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  19. Jcore4lyfe

    Jcore4lyfe Member

    Tested it last night and i had a solid 3 seconds to input my alt-backspace and for a 98 wpm typer like me, i have often been able to input /lobby. I even began to see the scape animation before consumption (first few frames)

    That window is mkre than enough ao that leaves you with a few more options...

    1. Disable /lobby + alt-backspace
    - Obviously should not be done as many users will get extremely frustrated with this.
    2. Disable just alt-backspace
    - Its a good start sure, but could have unforseen xonsequneces messing with the code like that as well as having 3 whole seconda to inpur 1 word is more than enough
    3. Make the scape consumed immediately
    - idk if this is even possible with the way the scape is coded by sega. Could also have unforeseen consequences. Could possibly still be worked around by crashing the client before you think youre gonna die cause youre stuck in a corner on the ground surrounded by a mob.

    My suggestion is to simply shorten the window and nothing else, if thats possible. The difference between alt-backspace and /lobby is negligible. This makes the action even more skill based and you see very few hc players even using this technique in the first place because of its many downsides (leaves party, quits quest, wastes players time)
     
  20. CTB

    CTB JK hate paused, busy!

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    Just make it like the golden days where you gotta yank your Ethernet cord out. And force you Wifi hipsters onto Ethernet so you can do the same.
     
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